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MMx
post Jan 4 2006, 12:47 PM
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Claudio Cerrai
fa schifo solo a me?

cio?, va bene le vibrazioni e cazzi vari (a parte che a me tenere in mano un coso che sembra pi? uno svago erotico che un volante non ? che mi ispiri pi? di tanto, ma probabilmente ? realistico cos?), ma non fa sentire assolutamente nulla quando la macchina va in sottosterzo, sovrasterzo, o altro... mah... :g:


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post Jan 4 2006, 01:03 PM
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Prova ad abbassare il livello di ffb da completo a alto, vedrai che
migliorer? parecchio.
Io mi sono personalizzato il plr ad hoc... ci ho perso un sacco di tempo...
per? adesso ? molto preciso e coerente con le condizioni di pista\cordoli..

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post Jan 4 2006, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(Mike Racer @ Jan 4 2006, 01:03 PM)
Prova ad abbassare il livello di ffb da completo a alto, vedrai che
migliorer? parecchio.
Io mi sono personalizzato il plr ad hoc... ci ho perso un sacco di tempo...
per? adesso ? molto preciso e coerente con le condizioni di pista\cordoli..

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ho provato anche cos? (ff alto e file plr "ottimizzato" con i valori postati su drivingitalia), ma, se pur scompare il problema della vibrazione selvaggia, rimane il problema delle sensazioni inesistenti riguardanti sottosterzo/sovrasterzo... ho un po' provato a smanettarci a mano, ma non so bene che voci andare a toccare...


(certo che ? una discreta rottura di zebedei, ? da f12002 che gli isi ci tediano con il ff atroce e migliaia di parametri da smanettare per renderlo quantomeno decente... e dire che nascar racing con 3 slider risolveva tutto... :asd:)


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post Jan 4 2006, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(MMx @ Jan 4 2006, 01:07 PM)
ho provato anche cos? (ff alto e file plr "ottimizzato" con i valori postati su drivingitalia), ma, se pur scompare il problema della vibrazione selvaggia, rimane il problema delle sensazioni inesistenti riguardanti sottosterzo/sovrasterzo... ho un po' provato a smanettarci a mano, ma non so bene che voci andare a toccare...
(certo che ? una discreta rottura di zebedei, ? da f12002 che gli isi ci tediano con il ff atroce e migliaia di parametri da smanettare per renderlo quantomeno decente... e dire che nascar racing con 3 slider risolveva tutto... :asd:)
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Che volante hai ?

Io ho il dfp, semmai ti posso dare qualche dritta sulle impostazioni...


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QUOTE(Mike Racer @ Jan 4 2006, 01:30 PM)
Che volante hai ?

Io ho il dfp, semmai ti posso dare qualche dritta sulle impostazioni...
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A me a me.... :D
Anche io ho il dfp e non sono soddisfatto del force feedback, anche delle altre impostazioni se usi qualche parametro particolare.
Grazie :ginocchio:
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questi sono i miei x il dfp,
i settaggi sono un misto di materiale trovato in giro + alcune piccole personalizzazioni mie, se servono...
cmq mmx, nn ti ammazzare + di tanto, nn ? colpa del tuo volante, io ero ignaro del fatto di poter sentire sul volante le gomme davanti che sdruciolano x un sottosterzo, provando altri sim l'ho potuto apprendere.
sar? che ? un effetto che si sente di + a ruote scoperte, ma in ogni caso giocando a gtl questi effetti imho nn si sentono... molto strano x?...
in gtr l'effetto lo sento forte e kiaro.

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post Feb 11 2006, 08:43 AM
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in realt? non ? che mi sia ammazzato pi? di tanto, ho provato qualche settaggio, ho visto che alla fine mi faceva sempre piuttosto ribrezzo, e ho liquidato il tutto con un "bah, che troiaio..." :asd:


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post Feb 11 2006, 12:44 PM
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Scusa fl3nd3r ho dimenticato di chiederti quale file devo andare ad editare?
grazie ciao
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post Feb 11 2006, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Trokij @ Feb 11 2006, 12:44 PM)
Scusa fl3nd3r ho dimenticato di chiederti quale file devo andare ad editare?
grazie ciao
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negli ultimi giorni sono riuscito "in rf" ad ottenere finalmente di mettere la forza al 100% e effetti completi, senza che la vibrazione del motore faccia sobbalzare il volante come un matto e ho visto che funziona anche in gtl.
prova a vedere se cos? ti piace:

il file che devi editare ?:tuonome.plr nella cartella ...gt legends\GTL\UserData\tuonome
cancella tutte le stringhe che iniziano con FFB e al loro posto ci incolli queste:

FFB Device Type="1" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad.
FFB Effects Level="4" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.
FFB Gain="0.63000" // Strength of Force Feedback effects. Range 0.0 to 1.0.
FFB Throttle FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Throttle effects on throttle axis, 1 = throttle effects on steering axis.
FFB Brake FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Brake effects on brake axis, 1 = brake effects on steering axis.
FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.50000" // Controls frequency of steering vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration.
FFB steer vibe zero magnitude="0.00000" // Magnitude of steering vibration at 0mph (reference point).
FFB steer vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB steer vibe zero magnitude).
FFB steer vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB steer force average weight="0.90000" // How much weight is given to new steering force calculations each frame (0.01 - 1.0). Lower values will smooth out the steering force, but will also add latency.
FFB steer force exponent="0.75000" // Steering force output "sensitivity". Range 0.0 to infinity. 0.0 to 1.0 = higher sensitivity, greater than 1.0 = lower sensitivity.
FFB steer force input max="-11000.00000" // Recommended: 11500 (-11500 if controller pulls in the wrong direction).
FFB steer force output max="2.10000" // Maximum force output of steering force, recommendation 0.8 to 2.0
FFB steer force grip weight="0.98000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.4 to 0.9. How much weight is given to tire grip when calculating steering force.
FFB steer force grip factor="0.60000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.2 to 0.6. How much of a factor the front wheel grip is on the steering weight.
FFB steer update thresh="0.00800" // Amount of change required to update steer force/vibe (0.0 - 1.0). Lower values = steering force updated more frequently = lower frame rate.
FFB steer friction coefficient="0.05000" // Coefficient to use for steering friction. Range: -1.0 to 1.0
FFB steer friction saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering friction. Range: 0 - 1.0
FFB steer damper coefficient="0.10000" // Coefficient to use for steering damper. Range: -1.0 to 1.0
FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0
FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.17000" // Scales actual engine frequency to force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50
FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude="0.06000" // Magnitude of engine vibration at 0rpm (reference point).
FFB throttle vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude).
FFB throttle vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB throttle vibe update thresh="0.07000" // Amount of change required to update throttle vibe (0.0 - 1.0)
FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.70000" // Scales actual brake rotational frequency to force feedback vibration frequency.
FFB brake vibe zero magnitude="0.07000" // Magnitude of brake vibration at 0mph (reference point).
FFB brake vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB brake vibe zero magnitude).
FFB brake vibe wave type="1" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB brake vibe update thresh="0.04000" // Amount of change required to update brake vibe (0.0 to 1.0)
FFB rumble strip magnitude="0.85000" // How strong the rumble strip rumble is. Range 0.0 to 1.0, 0.0 disables effect.
FFB rumble strip freq mult="0.70000" // Rumble stip frequency multiplier 1.0 = one rumble per wheel rev.
FFB rumble strip wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB rumble strip pull factor="-1.80000" // How strongly wheel pulls right/left when running over a rumble strip. Suggested range: -1.5 to 1.5.
FFB rumble strip update thresh="0.06000" // Amount of change required to update rumble strip effect (0.0 - 1.0)
FFB jolt magnitude="2.00000" // How strong jolts from other cars (or walls) are. Suggested Range: -2.0 to 2.0.
FFB Joy[00] Axis[00] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[00] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[00] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[00] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[01] Spring Saturation Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[01] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[01] Spring Saturation Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[01] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[02] Spring Saturation Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[02] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[02] Spring Saturation Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[02] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[03] Spring Saturation Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[03] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[03] Spring Saturation Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[03] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[04] Spring Saturation Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[04] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[04] Spring Saturation Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[04] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[05] Spring Saturation Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[05] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[05] Spring Saturation Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[05] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[06] Spring Saturation Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[06] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[06] Spring Saturation Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[06] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[07] Spring Saturation Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[07] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[07] Spring Saturation Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[00] Axis[07] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[00] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[00] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[00] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[00] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[01] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[01] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[01] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[01] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[02] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[02] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[02] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[02] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[03] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[03] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[03] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[03] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[04] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[04] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[04] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[04] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[05] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[05] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[05] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[05] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[06] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[06] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[06] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[06] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[07] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[07] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[07] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[01] Axis[07] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.00000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[00] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[00] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[00] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[00] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[01] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[01] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[01] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[01] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[02] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[02] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[02] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[02] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[03] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[03] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[03] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[03] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[04] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[04] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[04] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[04] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[05] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[05] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[05] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[05] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[06] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[06] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[06] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[06] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[07] Spring Saturation Pos="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[07] Spring Coefficient Pos="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[07] Spring Saturation Neg="1.00000" // DirectInput Saturation to use for spring
FFB Joy[02] Axis[07] Spring Coefficient Neg="0.50000" // DirectInput Coefficient to use for spring


mentre dai driver di windows metti tutto cos?:

(IMG:http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5002/mwsnap0294wt.th.jpg)

poi lanci il gioco e senza toccare + niente vedi come ti trovi, nn so a me piace il volante molto duro, anche se in gtl rimane ancora molle.


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